The 'Flying Spaghetti Monster' & The Evidence For God: Dr. William Lane Craig
May 13, 2009
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"That people could think that belief in God is anything like the groundless belief in a fantasy monster shows how utterly ignorant they are of the works of Anselm, Aquinas, Leibniz, Paley, Sorley, and a host of others, past and present. No doubt part of the fault lies with equally ignorant Christians who have no answer when called upon to give a reason for the hope within and who therefore give the impression of arbitrary and groundless belief. But it must also be attributed to poor education, intellectual laziness, and a lack of curiosity."
excerpt from Dr. Craig on www.reasonablefaith.org
Dr. William Lane Craig
Research Professor of Philosophy at Talbot School of Theology
http://www.reasonablefaith.org
September 2, 2010 - 2:08 PM
i cant say that im convinced about the truth or un-truth behind the flying spaghetti monster. My beliefs in the FSM still hold strong
September 1, 2010 - 9:02 PM
@mgigkgeg What are you talking about? Explain why every other religion is wrong? Do you realize that the flood story is mentioned in almost all of them? Other than historical events, other religions generally speak about thought and meditation more than anything else. Besides. That is like me saying "when you explain why every other evolutionary theory is false" (like punctuated equilibrium). You have no case at all. you should be ashamed of trying to argue when you have nothing to defend.
September 1, 2010 - 8:55 PM
@mgigkgeg Fist off. You might want to keep in mind that it's only your view that discounts any possibility of miraculous. Not mine. There are no problems with the Jonah and the whale story. I'm not sure what you're arguing. A person can survive for weeks without food. I don't think lack of water is an issue. Light before the sun? .. You do know the definition of the word god right? All your complaints are weak and kind of silly. Millions of species on Noah's arc? Are you just making stuff up?
September 1, 2010 - 8:45 PM
oh what nonsense
September 1, 2010 - 8:40 PM
@mgigkgeg Clearly you're not a carpenter either. I was for a long time. If you ever see a house being built, all the studs are 16 inches apart. There is no issue with warping within short spans between joists. The earth is nearly 75% water. There is no other explanation other than a flood. Remember what i told you about the lack of oxygen before plants? In fact, if you believe it rained for millions of years. That's pretty big flood isn't it? The biblical flood is a much more likely explanation.
September 1, 2010 - 12:22 PM
The big bang theory is a delusion, put into the minds and experiments of physicists by his Noodliness. Those suckers have yet to realise it. All hail his Savoriness, full of beef!
September 1, 2010 - 6:31 AM
@knowwaie even though i cant really explain to you complex scientific theories, i can however explain to you why you are wrong in what you believe. i could point out idiotic things such as a man living in a whale or the great flood and how noah managed to keep the millions of species on a boat that is too big to construct out of wood due to warping. when you explain to me why every other religion is wrong, you will understand why yours is wrong.
September 1, 2010 - 6:15 AM
@knowwaie Im not a scientist, I dont have all the answers you need to ask the biologists who have spent there careers studying, formulating hypothosise and and testing them rigorously to come to the conclusions that you nor I understand. I have read genisis, it clearly says seven days but you have to back track to save yourself from looking like an idiot; there is a glaring mistake in the creation story by the way: light came before the sun, God must have got it a bit wrong there.
September 1, 2010 - 2:37 AM
Fine tuning and moral concept of God were already debunked, weren't you paying attention Dr. Craig. I swear I was there when you admitted defeat. Why does the cause of the big bang have to exist beyond space and time? The Big Bang could just as likely be a cause in itself... The cosmos created us so it could be conscience of itself. That is just as possible as a God... And Dr. Craig you have just as much evidence as I do.
September 1, 2010 - 2:18 AM
@mgigkgeg As for the supernatural in evolution. Positive and negative charges, matter and antimatter coming out of neutrality. People are actually beggining to argue that nothing really exists. Do you believe matter only gives the 'appearance' of a physical world or matter was placed in order to create a physical world? Modern science is on the verge of denying the existence of real physical properties and replacing it with external forces. i hope atheist theorizing stay within biology
September 1, 2010 - 1:22 AM
@mgigkgeg I know exactly where the misconception is. It's in confusion in these two statements of fact; "the earth is billions of years old", "biological life is able to adapt to its surroundings". I blame the Christians for never reading what they claim to believe. No where in the bible does it say the earth is 6000 years old. In fact according to the bible the earth could possibly be more than double our current estimate. The earth was not created during the creation week.
September 1, 2010 - 1:16 AM
@mgigkgeg First of all, no it doesn't say they appeared in the form we see them in. No one denies that organisms are very flexible. Sure, the theory proposes many things, but only living organisms are capable (only to an extent of course) of adapting to their environment. The second you leave biology there are multitudes of problems. For example, we're to believe it rained on the earth for millions of years then plants came after.. So where did the oxygen come from to make the water?
August 31, 2010 - 8:07 PM
@knowwaie im sorry was it not you who brought up evolution when we were talking about supernatural? however the two things do overlap as the bible states clearly that animals appeared in the form we see them in but the evolutionary theory proposes that we evolved from simple organisms to much more complex organisms; there is quite a clear overlap and this is why creationists (such as yourself) seem to love debating this particular scientific theory as it doesnt fit with your horrible little book
August 31, 2010 - 6:53 PM
@mgigkgeg You want to talk about hypocrisy. Think about this, if you can. You're another one of those idiots who will say "evolution only deals with biological adaptation", but yet you're using this as a basis for dismissing the bible? Wouldn't that mean you're applying the theory further than it will reach? You'll contradict yourself constantly but your head is so full of garbage you'll never notice the inconsistencies in your thinking. But of course, science is still evolving, right? Idiot.
August 31, 2010 - 6:31 PM
What is the mechanism which causes organisms to change? Don't tell me it's natural selection because that only means selection after change has occurred. The majority of scientist do not accept evolution, the majority of biological scientists may but there are a lot of other sciences, in fact biology is the least of them. Also, do you realize that evolution is also a containment? If everything has evolved then we only observe common environment, common ancestry is history. that's common sense.
August 31, 2010 - 1:30 PM
@knowwaie so now you show your true colours. you would take the ridiculous claims of the bible over the theory of evolution. evolution is fact, it happens. before, you tried to ridicule me for not studying ancient religions in much depth but now you seem to have a deeper insight into evolutionary theory than the majority of scientists who accept it and clearly show its mechanisms. if you are going to be that much of a hypocrite then i really cannot be bothered to argue with you.
August 31, 2010 - 11:16 AM
Harry Potter doesn't claim to be historical record. I doesn't matter what the text consists of. The supernatural claims of biblical texts are supported by the fact that we are here. Now we weigh history against your version of history, which i'm surprised hasn't been made into a Harry Potter book. There is nothing with more supernatural connotation than our modern evolution theory. But i'm sure you're clueless about deeper principles of reality. Soon you will be arguing solipsism, and subtly do
August 31, 2010 - 7:04 AM
@knowwaie is that your arguement? studying mythology is not history, history actually happened; mythology is largely made up. key factor in this is evidence: there is none supporting any religious text for the supernatural claims it makes otherwise there wouldnt be a debate. even if your religious texts had some historical accuracy that doesnt automatically discount them from being fiction; kings cross station is real but you know Harry Potter is fictional.
August 31, 2010 - 2:50 AM
@AlexTheHumanist Evolution only deals with the variety of life? Wouldn't you say that language also evolved? Instead of stealing a word that has real meaning and twisting it to fit your view, why not invent a new word? abiogenesis and cosmology are not only part of the evolution theory but they are pivotal to the theory. This statement is only a cop-out made by people with no real conviction in order to avoid having to explain their entire theory. You're daffed responses are typical.
August 31, 2010 - 2:11 AM
@AlexTheHumanist Of course people like you claim some wild conspiracy on the part of the Jews (as if they altered it to LOOK like it was written earlier, but like i said your teachers are not sane) just because we haven't found the original writings. The fact still remains. The Torah, according the our translations, was written long before. Or are we to believe that these Hebrew people pulled a fast one on us? Think about it.
August 31, 2010 - 2:08 AM
@AlexTheHumanist "Atheistic Christians"
What's wrong with your head? Maybe if you're an insane liberal who doesn't think words should have definite meanings. If it was up to it wouldn't be possible to communicate. Such individuals are not fit for society and should be placed in a mental institution. Hinduism definitely does not predate Judaism. It is dated somewhere between Assyrian and Persian Empires. The Torah is written from the prospective of the people before those empires.
August 31, 2010 - 2:05 AM
@AlexTheHumanist "Atheistic Christians"
What's wrong with your head? Maybe if you're an insane liberal who doesn't think words should have definite meanings. If it was up to it wouldn't be possible to communicate. Such individuals are not fit for society and should be place in a mental institution. Hinduism definitely doesn't not predate Judaism. It is dated somewhere between Assyrian and Persian Empires.
August 31, 2010 - 1:54 AM
@mgigkgeg It's called history. How far should we go with this idea? Some people believe the holocaust never happened. Some claim we've never been to the moon. Maybe world war one never really happened, it was just a made up story. Right? You are a kid. I'm sure you're a novice on any subject. You only attack because you have a plethora of idiots, who think they know more about the past than the people who were there, to cushion your fall.
August 30, 2010 - 5:53 PM
@knowwaie im am so sorry i dont waste my life studying made up stories, but the sad fact is that it doesnt give anymore validity to your or any other religion that has every been; so you keep believing in magical sky man as much as you want. dont call me kid, it isnt becoming.
August 30, 2010 - 5:16 PM
It doesn't matter if one proposes that the universe is designed by a deity or something else. The person proposing such a thing must provide evidence suitable to make it scientific theory before it can be taught in a school. Such evidence either does not exist or has not been found yet.
Also, comparing creationism to evolution is quite unintelligent, as evolution only deals with the variety of life on Earth, not abiogenesis or cosmology. Evolution has killed creationism anyway, so why continue?
